Russian Girl by Liz Phair - A song for some reason rejected by her record label when making the album "whitechocolatespaceegg."
The Grrrl Next Door
Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Saturday, June 14, 2014
Double Standards, Ophelia Benson Style - Part II
Ophelia Benson goes digging through my old comments on her blog to find something she can use to belittle and discredit me. After she tells me to "go away," she tells her readers that I sort of but not exactly sock-puppeted because I used to post under a couple of different 'nyms years before FTB required you log in and stick to one. I've stuck to the same one for a few years now, but she doesn't mention that. Implying that I'm a dishonest person, again. Even though I told people that I changed it. People change their 'nyms on the Freethought blog network all the time. When FB network changed to require registration and log in, they wouldn't let me use the 'nym I was using, I kept getting a message saying that that person already posts here and you may be an impostor. That happened to a lot of people besides me. So I changed it to my email ID to register and log in, no big deal. At least I didn't think it was a big deal, or that someone would actually try to use that against me in the future.
Ophelia insinuates that I'm a hypocrite because of this past comment complaining about a Yahoo group that had zero moderating (since I now complained about my disappearing comments, which is only moderating). She's "amused" at the "relevancy." Right Ophelia. She not only tone-trolls me, she flat out says I'm a troll. I have been posting at B&W for a while, you'd think that would earn me some good faith? You'd be wrong.
And she calls me "shitty and vindictive."
Ophelia Benson
I’m going back through theoreticalgrrrl’s previous comments, which were made under a few different names (but the same email address, so not exactly sock-puppeting) and I found one of amusing relevance:
I used to belong to a Yahoo group and the moderator was completely anti-moderating in the name of free speech. It was a complete mess, mostly dominated by a paranoid guy who thought the government was using his microwave to control his thoughts. No one could have a normal conversation or debate about anything. It was draining and pointless. But no one could convince the moderator to do something about the trolls, he was so convinced it was some sacred duty to let people be free to spew whatever nonsense they wanted and constantly derail discussions.
Not exactly the "gotcha!" she portrays.
What was her purpose in going through years of my old comments? What was her goal? Looking for a "gotcha!" to justify treating me like a troll and not someone who comments in good faith. To find something she can spin as proof I deserved what I got, that it was perfectly righteous for her to treat me like a troll or a 'lying liar'. And that was the best that she could come up with.
Was she trying be hurtful? Well, then mission accomplished, Ophelia. You win. I feel blindsided by the whole experience. I was a regular reader for years of Butterflies and Wheels, up until a few days ago when this happened. I still don't know why I was ripped into the way I was. People with strong opinions who speak their mind seemed to be welcomed on Butterflies and Wheels, colorful language is frequently used like the f-word, the shit word, the damn word, and others. Attacking me like that seems so arbitrary, I am still am pretty shocked by it. I didn't make any personal attacks, just focused on the word and why I thought the idea that it was a slur was a silly one. I thought the idea was ridiculous, not the person saying it. But I got called intellectually dishonest, accused of using "verbal sleight of hand", which I said was unfair.
But fine. I can look up things she said in the past online, right? Except I will be relying on facts. Or do we have yet another double standard for Ophelia and the rest of the world?
Ophelia selectively deleting comments where I defend myself against accusations of lying?
Ophelia says it was OK to do to me because I sounded "enraged" in my posts.
The mental state she speculates I was in when I typed the comments totally justifies deletion. Forget again the blatant tone trolling, she also has a completely different standard for herself.
Because it is positively "immoral" when it happens to her:
"Ordinarily, yes, of course they can reject posts if they want to. But posts rebutting a false charge of lying? No. That’s immoral."- Ophelia Benson.
At least this is accurate, unlike her pathetic and weak attempt at twisting my words against me. This type of behavior is not at all unusual for Ms. Benson. She demanded an apology from Discover Magazine and also demanded to have other posters' comments deleted on their site:
"We stopped allowing Benson to comment here back in mid 2009, for very good reasons – among other things, she was sending us emails demanding to have other posters’ comments deleted. We had a better solution."Lately, Benson has been clamoring to have her commenting status restored, based on the “Tom Johnson” flap. This doesn’t make any sense, as the thread that led to her banning happened long before that affair."
And:
"...the core of her claim for restoration seems to be something about “bilbo” attacking her here. Here are two unpublished comments that Benson left on the blog recently:
'How about an apology for allowing “bilbo” (same guy as “Tom Johnson”) to call me a liar here but banning me? How about unbanning me? '- Ophelia Benson
And:
'So “bilbo” who repeatedly said here that I was lying in my questions to you two was not moderated, but I who repeatedly asked you two to do a better job of justifying your claims – I was banned. Do you think you should have second thoughts about that now, Sheril? Now that you know “bilbo” was William? A sock puppet? Who has made something of a career of saying I’m lying when I say something he dislikes? I think you should lift the ban on me, and I think you should apologize.' - Ophelia Benson"
Love it. No wonder she's always asking half the internet for an apology.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/#.U5pO_3JdWSp
Yo Jean.
Interesting place, isn’t it – wild accusations of lying get through while the defense is gagged. I think I’ll change my name to Bobby Seale.
J J Ramsey – yes, yes – I know it’s not literal censorship. But I think M&K should take more trouble about this, because whatever kind of filtering it is, the outcome is that the false and libelous accusation of lying is out there while my rebuttal is not.
Hmm. There are some comments let out of moderation – so I take it that means Mooney or Kirshenbaum has done some housekeeping? If so, that means M/K has left the post saying I’m lying in place – ignoring my email message asking them to delete it. M/K has also blocked two posts of mine – saying I am not lying, and replying to the specific claim that TB made. In other words it’s a substantive comment – and they don’t see fit to allow me to make it, while they do see fit to allow people to say I’m lying.
M/K – if this is how it is – well, that’s just over the line.
Ben – exactly. I too went over chapter 8 again – I went through the end notes and did a substantive reply to TB – pointing out that the citations are for the claim that science and religion are compatible, but not for the claim that overt atheism causes people to be hostile to science. My question was about the latter, not the former, so TB’s claim missed the point. Ho hum.
A. McC. – Ordinarily, yes, of course they can reject posts if they want to. But posts rebutting a false charge of lying? No. That’s immoral.
Unfuckingbelievable.
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"But posts rebutting a false charge of lying? No. That’s immoral."
Hmm. Yeah, it doesn't feel too good, does it Ophelia? But it's exactly what you did to me.
What.a.royal.hypocrite:
Ophelia Benson to me: "I think the only way that deletion “misrepresented” you is by making you seem less enraged over a minor issue than you in fact were."
She actually helped me look less enraged...so...I should be grateful to her for deleting my comments! She was just trying to help me. She sees fit to allow people to say I'm lying and leaves those comments up, but Ophelia deleted comments where I defend myself against accusations of lying.
Well that's just over the line, isn't it? Well, not for me...but again different rules for Benson:
Ophelia Benson on herself: "...it’s a substantive comment – and they don’t see fit to allow me to make it, while they do see fit to allow people to say I’m lying.
"...if this is how it is – well, that’s just over the line."
No. It's only over the line when someone does it to Ophelia. Got it.
Do you think I will get an apology from Ophelia? She should apologize to me, if she has any integrity and honesty. I'm not holding my breath. She can completely twist my words, and moves the goalposts for swearing and when it's allowed. Then dismiss me completely. I'm just a peon, foaming at the mouth with shouty fury, who gets enraged over very minor points. It's a fact... Benson has the magical ability to discern someone's tone and feelings over the internet. She knows when you are yelling, when you are shouting, and when you are typing in a ragey furor. It usually happens when you say something she doesn't like, or call her on her bullshit, but that's merely a coincidence.
Unreal.
Shockingly dishonest and hypocritical.
**And Ophelia's pearl-clutching at my use of the f-word? She moves the goalpost again. Ha:
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2010/exposed/**
"Fuck you , William" - Ophelia Benson, comment #122
"Fuck you , William." - Ophelia Benson, later, same comment #122
Twice!
Man, deja vu. This actually is relevant and very amusing.
Continue to shoot yourself in the foot and arbitrarily single out and attack, then ban, women who have supported you and your blog for years. Sounds like a great plan.
Fuck You Ophelia.
Sincerely,
Theoreticalgrrrl
Thursday, June 12, 2014
The Pluto Files - Dr. Laura Danly interviews Neil deGrasse Tyson
Curator of Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, CA and spectroscopist Dr. Laura Danly interviews astrophysicist, author and host of "Cosmos" Neil deGrasse Tyson in 2009.
Wednesday, June 11, 2014
James Arthur Ray - The Come-Back Kid
James Arthur Ray - The Come-Back Kid
"Whatever you fear or love will come into your life," - James Ray
Self-help guru and star of "The Secret" James Ray was released from prison in July, 2013. He only served 18 months of a two-year sentence for negligent homicide in the deaths of Kirby Brown, James Shore, and Liz Neuman.
He is now busy orchestrating his come-back to the self-help world.
A promo for his next event:
Jean Brown, sister of negligent homicide victim Kirby Brown, has written an open letter to Oprah Winfrey, asking her to finally break her silence on the man she helped launch to fame. The man whose negligence, greed and arrogance caused the deaths of three, possibly four human beings:
AN OPEN LETTER TO OPRAH, REGARDING YOUR SILENCE ON JAMES RAY by Jean Brown
* On Twitter today, 6-12-14:
JamesARayFREE BOOK! Possible answers to your life questions.
http://t.co/fDzUUHHm0q #jamesarthurray #mentor #freebook
Just say no to promises of easy answers to life's questions.
The Brown family has created SEEK Safely in Kirby's honor, a nonprofit organization that helps educate consumers about the dangers of the unregulated, $11 billion self-help industry:
In response to our horrific loss, my family has created a non-profit organization, SEEK Safely, dedicated to protecting people who are looking to the self-help industry to improve their lives. We hope to educate consumers of self-help about how to empower and protect themselves, and work with the self-help industry to create standards of ethics and safety. -
We are a small organization, trying to share our message. From the beginning, my mother has said she wants to be Kirby’s voice.
Had she lived, I know Kirby would have been speaking up about what happened. She would have ranted about the fact that at an event that cost nearly $10,000 and involved tough physical challenges, there were no safety procedures in place. She would have discussed the tactics of control and humiliation that took away her sense of self-preservation. She would have spoken up about the insanity of putting people in the desert for 2 days without food or water, then putting them in a boiling hot tent and bringing them to the edge of death, and then bullying them over that edge. She would have been outraged that a man she trusted, a man who presented himself as professional and caring, could be so callous, empty, and self-serving. Kirby was a force, and she would be screaming right now. --Jean Brown
For Kirby, James and Liz.
Tuesday, June 10, 2014
The Hypocrisy of Ophelia Benson
Atheist, Feminist Blogger Ophelia Benson of Butterflies and Wheels selectively deletes comments on her blog where people try to defend themselves against personal attacks on their honesty, and to make it appear as if a commenter made an argument they never made. She leaves up the comments with false personal attacks, but deletes the rebuttals. She then uses double standards for herself and others regarding what is acceptable as far as one's tone and use of swear words.
You would think, as someone who is frequently and deliberately misquoted, that she would have some empathy and not want to treat others the same way. No. She doesn't. You could be a loyal supporter or a harsh critic, feminist or antifeminist, or anything in between...once you get on her bad side or say things she doesn't like, she has no qualms trashing and misrepresenting you. If you disagree with an important writer friend of hers, she will tar and feather you as rude, or as she labeled me personally, "shitty and vindictive."
What awful thing did I say that completely derailed her blog with my shitty vindictiveness? I didn't agree that the word 'female' is "degrading, other-ing, and patronizing." Yes. I actually said that. And she didn't like the tone I used. I expressed the opinion that the actual, technical term for people of my sex, derived from the Latin word for woman, is not dehumanizing, not "degrading and othering." I made no personal attacks on her friend, but I disagreed when she told a male commenter that female is a "dodgy" term and that he shouldn't use it. I personally think being offended by the word is plain silly. I suggested that maybe people who were complaining about being told that 'female is degrading' on Twitter had a point. God, and I said people and not men, because only evil woman-hating men would not agree "female" is an insult to women.
Ophelia accused me of using "verbal sleight of hand" to deliberately change the word men to people...because? I'm just sneaky like that. Shitty and vindictive. I am a woman, but it doesn't count that I and other women disagree, because there are men who are abusive jerks on Twitter. Therefore female is a slur, because...look at their reaction. Forget that these types of men are abusive pretty much to any woman who says anything about anything on Twitter. Let's twist that fact and use it to vilify women who disagree with Benson.
She outraged when people call her a rage blogger, but disagree with her and she will call you an enrage commenter. She took it upon herself to delete only specific comments I made where I clarified my position, that I think female is not a slur either as a noun or an adjective, and defended myself against accusations of lying. But left up others I made to make them look totally out of context, and as if I didn't disagree with the accusations of dishonesty. She didn't announce that my posts were so ugly and ragey and derailing that they would be deleted, which she would have had the courtesy to do for an actual troll or even an harasser. But not me, because Ophelia says I am a shitty, vindictive low-life, not worthy of any good faith.
There are plenty of words out there that are used to put down women, but by god let's create a new one, or vilify an existing and completely non-offensive term, so she can continue her hobby of being professionally offended.
And when I saw what she did and called her on it, she didn't reply, but later my comments mysteriously re-appeared with no warning. When I mentioned that she responds:
After telling me to "go away," she goes digging through ancient comments in an attempt to trash talk me where I can't defend myself. She insinuates that I sort of but 'not exactly' sock-puppeted because I used to post under a couple different 'nyms years before FTB required you log in and stick to one. I TOLD people that I did. (oops, all caps! and italics! good god, think of the children!). I used the same email, which means I didn't exactly sockpuppet , but close enough for her. So not exactly the "gotcha!" as she portrays it. I didn't really comment that much when I first started reading her blog, so I didn't think it mattered. (Because no one has ever changed their 'nym on the FTB network. Like, ever). And she doesn't clarify that once I've stuck to a 'nym, I've used it consistently. I haven't been using different names in the same time period, but she lets people assume that I have. Pretty rotten, Ophelia. And she calls me shitty and vindictive.
She openly makes personal attacks on my character. She says that it is a fact that I was "enraged", not pure speculation on her part. Which of course discredits anything I say, because emotions.
She goes sifting through a years of my past comments trying to find something to discredit me, and can only find one which she believes (or pretends to believe) totally exposes me as someone worthy of contempt and dismissal. Or that it justified her personal attacks on me, or something:
The quote she found amusing and relevant? Ha. Yes, I totally dominated the conversation. The irony! I'm just like the guy who thinks the government microwaves his brain and derails every discussion and thread to the point where no one can have a normal conversation or debate about anything.
Why don't you just go right ahead and call me an hysterical, emotional female, Ophelia?...oops, I mean woman. We can't use that other word lest it offends the professionally offended.
If it was a "minor point," why the selective deleting? How we use words to denigrate women isn't a minor point. Has she forgotten how many times she's been called the C- word, and how people keep telling her it's a minor, unimportant issue? When Ricky Gervais used that word, she wrote quite a few blog posts complaining about his dismissive attitude.
Expressing the opinion that if one uses 'female' as a noun they are degrading and othering women is something worth discussing and possibly disagreeing with. It was totally on-topic, since her friend Maureen was the person who brought it up. Yet, she could barely handle me disagreeing with Maureen and had to wipe my comments clean to protect her and her fragile readers' minds from my "ragey" comments. Well, not exactly clean....again, very selectively.
And to top off her caricature of my opinion as just enraged "shouty fury," she throws in There Are More Important Things So Shut Up, ala Dear Muslima.
Then a gallant white pony steps in to scold me on behalf of Ophelia:
How does one yell on the internet? It's purely your own perception that someone else is "yelling." Someone can read this sentence and think I am yelling, while someone else will see it as...not yelling.
I said that to another commenter, not Ophelia, after that person used direct insults by calling me a liar and intellectually dishonest. And when I objected to those direct insults towards me, they shot back with "if the shoe fits..." But I have no right to respond to that with a fuck off or you, because FreeThought Bloggers and commenters are so Anti-F-Bombs. They never use bad words or argue, the delicate creatures that they are.
White pony adds:
I was being sarcastic. A couple words in all caps and a few exclamation points....the humanity! I crossed the line there, there are consequences for that! It was such a serious derail that it destroyed the whole thread and made Ophelia super sad and almost made me spontaneously combust in a haze of purrre rrrage. Interesting that Ophelia left up the comment someone left after mine about civil rights workers and anal sex. That's fine with her? She vilifies me because I showed that she selectively deletes comments to make others look bad, and she got called on it.
My "enraged" comments, that were "wildly abusive" and "ugly," and said in "shouty fury" that needed censoring, according to Ophelia The Delicate:
Brony the white pony adds:
Oh, goody for you. I didn't stop her from saying if I'm right or not, she just deleted comments without telling me or anyone else, to make it look like the conversation went in a way that it didn't.
And telling a female commenter she is "ragey" and in a "furor", why that's not sexist and patronizing at all. Nope. It's a common tactic, discrediting or dismissing a woman's opinion based on whether or not she said it in an appropriately soft ladylike tone.
She conveniently deleted the "fundamental difference which is the basis of the entire debate," that I was saying "female" is not even offensive when used as a noun. She deleted my rebuttal comments against being accused of dishonesty, but left up other comments.
As if Ophelia doesn't react negatively to people pulling a Shut Up Because There Are More Important Issues. And tone trolling. And selective erasure.
And she gets upset and...in a "furor" of "shouty ragey rage"...or whatever she calls it when it's other women and not her...repeatedly demands an apology on Twitter from an organization that once called her 'Ofie' instead of Ophelia.
And I'm "wildly abusive"?
She's a hypocrite.
In Shouty Rage
Yours Truly,
Theoreticalgrrrl
**Update: I actually took down this post for a while because I know Ophelia Benson has been attacked by anti-"SJW's" unfairly. I didn't want to give them 'ammo' in attacking her. Wow, that was stupid. She's an asshole, plain and simple. I will speak the truth, she deserves no special treatment since she has no problem abusing long-time, supportive women commenters and using ridicule and ganging-up tactics on other women, policing other women's speech. She's a smug, self-important and is the real "wildly abusive" asshole.
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You would think, as someone who is frequently and deliberately misquoted, that she would have some empathy and not want to treat others the same way. No. She doesn't. You could be a loyal supporter or a harsh critic, feminist or antifeminist, or anything in between...once you get on her bad side or say things she doesn't like, she has no qualms trashing and misrepresenting you. If you disagree with an important writer friend of hers, she will tar and feather you as rude, or as she labeled me personally, "shitty and vindictive."
What awful thing did I say that completely derailed her blog with my shitty vindictiveness? I didn't agree that the word 'female' is "degrading, other-ing, and patronizing." Yes. I actually said that. And she didn't like the tone I used. I expressed the opinion that the actual, technical term for people of my sex, derived from the Latin word for woman, is not dehumanizing, not "degrading and othering." I made no personal attacks on her friend, but I disagreed when she told a male commenter that female is a "dodgy" term and that he shouldn't use it. I personally think being offended by the word is plain silly. I suggested that maybe people who were complaining about being told that 'female is degrading' on Twitter had a point. God, and I said people and not men, because only evil woman-hating men would not agree "female" is an insult to women.
Ophelia accused me of using "verbal sleight of hand" to deliberately change the word men to people...because? I'm just sneaky like that. Shitty and vindictive. I am a woman, but it doesn't count that I and other women disagree, because there are men who are abusive jerks on Twitter. Therefore female is a slur, because...look at their reaction. Forget that these types of men are abusive pretty much to any woman who says anything about anything on Twitter. Let's twist that fact and use it to vilify women who disagree with Benson.
There are plenty of words out there that are used to put down women, but by god let's create a new one, or vilify an existing and completely non-offensive term, so she can continue her hobby of being professionally offended.
And when I saw what she did and called her on it, she didn't reply, but later my comments mysteriously re-appeared with no warning. When I mentioned that she responds:
I deleted your final comments simply because they were ugly. I think the only way that deletion “misrepresented” you is by making you seem less enraged over a minor issue than you in fact were.
That’s it. Since you feel so strongly and as you say you have a long history here, I put them back. Rejoice: now everyone can see what a disproportionate rage you were in on Sunday.
After telling me to "go away," she goes digging through ancient comments in an attempt to trash talk me where I can't defend myself. She insinuates that I sort of but 'not exactly' sock-puppeted because I used to post under a couple different 'nyms years before FTB required you log in and stick to one. I TOLD people that I did. (oops, all caps! and italics! good god, think of the children!). I used the same email, which means I didn't exactly sockpuppet , but close enough for her. So not exactly the "gotcha!" as she portrays it. I didn't really comment that much when I first started reading her blog, so I didn't think it mattered. (Because no one has ever changed their 'nym on the FTB network. Like, ever). And she doesn't clarify that once I've stuck to a 'nym, I've used it consistently. I haven't been using different names in the same time period, but she lets people assume that I have. Pretty rotten, Ophelia. And she calls me shitty and vindictive.
She openly makes personal attacks on my character. She says that it is a fact that I was "enraged", not pure speculation on her part. Which of course discredits anything I say, because emotions.
She goes sifting through a years of my past comments trying to find something to discredit me, and can only find one which she believes (or pretends to believe) totally exposes me as someone worthy of contempt and dismissal. Or that it justified her personal attacks on me, or something:
Ophelia Benson
I’m going back through theoreticalgrrrl’s previous comments, which were made under a few different names (but the same email address, so not exactly sock-puppeting) and I found one of amusing relevance:
I used to belong to a Yahoo group and the moderator was completely anti-moderating in the name of free speech. It was a complete mess, mostly dominated by a paranoid guy who thought the government was using his microwave to control his thoughts. No one could have a normal conversation or debate about anything. It was draining and pointless. But no one could convince the moderator to do something about the trolls, he was so convinced it was some sacred duty to let people be free to spew whatever nonsense they wanted and constantly derail discussions.
The quote she found amusing and relevant? Ha. Yes, I totally dominated the conversation. The irony! I'm just like the guy who thinks the government microwaves his brain and derails every discussion and thread to the point where no one can have a normal conversation or debate about anything.
She insinuates that I'm a hypocrite because of my past comment complaining about a Yahoo group that had zero moderating (since I now complained about my disappearing comments, which is only moderating). She's "amused" at the "relevancy." Right Ophelia. She not only tone-trolls me for my opinion that "female" isn't an offensive word, she flat out compares me to a troll.
I have been posting at B&W for a while, you'd think that would earn me some good faith? You'd be wrong. Totally meaningless. What other 'dirt' did she dig up to prove she's justified in treating me with contempt and ridicule and trivialization? None. (Is bolding words a sign of rage, too?)
Since you feel so strongly and as you say you have a long history here, I put them back. Rejoice: now everyone can see what a disproportionate rage you were in on Sunday. It was the accusations of twisting words and "verbal sleight of hand" that I was responding to, justifiably defending myself, but leave all that out. And mock that I said I have a history of posting in good faith, because I'm so forgettable and stupid she hadn't even noticed or cared. She kicks me to the curb without batting an eye. She should make a list next time so we all know which topics are so trivial that she will have absolutely no problem completely trashing and alienating a long-time reader and supporter and fellow feminist over it.
Ophelia talking about me:
Another big reason was just the total disproportion – the disagreement was over a very minor point, and thus not worth all the caps and exclamation points and accusations of lying. I think I probably cut more slack for disagreements over more important issues, but this? Shouty fury over a very minor point? No thanks.
Why don't you just go right ahead and call me an hysterical, emotional female, Ophelia?...oops, I mean woman. We can't use that other word lest it offends the professionally offended.
If it was a "minor point," why the selective deleting? How we use words to denigrate women isn't a minor point. Has she forgotten how many times she's been called the C- word, and how people keep telling her it's a minor, unimportant issue? When Ricky Gervais used that word, she wrote quite a few blog posts complaining about his dismissive attitude.
Expressing the opinion that if one uses 'female' as a noun they are degrading and othering women is something worth discussing and possibly disagreeing with. It was totally on-topic, since her friend Maureen was the person who brought it up. Yet, she could barely handle me disagreeing with Maureen and had to wipe my comments clean to protect her and her fragile readers' minds from my "ragey" comments. Well, not exactly clean....again, very selectively.
And to top off her caricature of my opinion as just enraged "shouty fury," she throws in There Are More Important Things So Shut Up, ala Dear Muslima.
Then a gallant white pony steps in to scold me on behalf of Ophelia:
She does not have to put up with yelling when comments devolve into arguments.
How does one yell on the internet? It's purely your own perception that someone else is "yelling." Someone can read this sentence and think I am yelling, while someone else will see it as...not yelling.
She does not have to put up with direct angry insults (yes comments were ragey) when comments devolve into arguments.Yeah, we covered that already. Ragey is your perception. I could easily call him "ragey" for the above quote. ("She does not have to put up with..."? Thanks Brony, you make it sound like she's Tina Turner standing up to Ike).
*Direct insults “Fuck off, fuck you"
I said that to another commenter, not Ophelia, after that person used direct insults by calling me a liar and intellectually dishonest. And when I objected to those direct insults towards me, they shot back with "if the shoe fits..." But I have no right to respond to that with a fuck off or you, because FreeThought Bloggers and commenters are so Anti-F-Bombs. They never use bad words or argue, the delicate creatures that they are.
White pony adds:
Your first comment shows that you realize that you may have crossed a line there “Yeah, I used some exclamation points and all caps, deal with it.” and that comes with consequences.
I was being sarcastic. A couple words in all caps and a few exclamation points....the humanity! I crossed the line there, there are consequences for that! It was such a serious derail that it destroyed the whole thread and made Ophelia super sad and almost made me spontaneously combust in a haze of purrre rrrage. Interesting that Ophelia left up the comment someone left after mine about civil rights workers and anal sex. That's fine with her? She vilifies me because I showed that she selectively deletes comments to make others look bad, and she got called on it.
My "enraged" comments, that were "wildly abusive" and "ugly," and said in "shouty fury" that needed censoring, according to Ophelia The Delicate:
- 60
theoreticalgrrrl
“Many people, myself included, find its use as a noun when referring to women to be offensive and othering.”So then, I wasn’t “twisting” your words. I was spot on, Mr.FancyPants. - 61
MrFancyPants
Terms like ‘male privilege’, is that dehumanizing, turning men into inferior beasts?That phrases uses “male” as an adjective, so no, it’s not offensive. If you can’t understand this fundamental difference which is the basis of the entire debate, then I don’t know how else to try to enlighten you.But it doesn’t prove the original point that female is a slur.You don’t get to decide what other people find offensive.You are accusing me of being dishonest.If the shoe fits… - 62
MrFancyPants
“Many people, myself included, find its use as a noun when referring to women to be offensive and othering.”So then, I wasn’t “twisting” your words. I was spot on, Mr.FancyPants.It is intellectually dishonest to leave out the sentence that preceeded that quote. As such, I am through engaging you.
(So I added the sentence @64 that preceeded the quote that made no difference):
Notice all the caps and exclamation points? Dear God!
Brony the white pony adds:
"These are my thoughts and Ophelia can feel free to say if I am right or not."
Oh, goody for you. I didn't stop her from saying if I'm right or not, she just deleted comments without telling me or anyone else, to make it look like the conversation went in a way that it didn't.
And telling a female commenter she is "ragey" and in a "furor", why that's not sexist and patronizing at all. Nope. It's a common tactic, discrediting or dismissing a woman's opinion based on whether or not she said it in an appropriately soft ladylike tone.
She conveniently deleted the "fundamental difference which is the basis of the entire debate," that I was saying "female" is not even offensive when used as a noun. She deleted my rebuttal comments against being accused of dishonesty, but left up other comments.
As if Ophelia doesn't react negatively to people pulling a Shut Up Because There Are More Important Issues. And tone trolling. And selective erasure.
And she gets upset and...in a "furor" of "shouty ragey rage"...or whatever she calls it when it's other women and not her...repeatedly demands an apology on Twitter from an organization that once called her 'Ofie' instead of Ophelia.
And I'm "wildly abusive"?
She's a hypocrite.
In Shouty Rage
Yours Truly,
Theoreticalgrrrl
**Update: I actually took down this post for a while because I know Ophelia Benson has been attacked by anti-"SJW's" unfairly. I didn't want to give them 'ammo' in attacking her. Wow, that was stupid. She's an asshole, plain and simple. I will speak the truth, she deserves no special treatment since she has no problem abusing long-time, supportive women commenters and using ridicule and ganging-up tactics on other women, policing other women's speech. She's a smug, self-important and is the real "wildly abusive" asshole.
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